Sunday, June 16, 2013

Transcript Euro Scriptchat Creating Characters We Love to Hate 16th of June, 2013


Tonight's chat was mostly focused on villains. There was lots of great input about what makes a good villain. Enjoy the read!


Moderator: Taro Russell @TaroJ 





Taro@TaroJ
It's #scriptchat O'Clock and we're talking about creating characters, both heroes and villains.

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Taro@TaroJ
#scriptchat let's start with villains as they are always much more fun.

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Hi #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
Evening all! #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
So, how do we kick off? Villains? I prefer them verbal & smart myself. Nothing more disappointing than an idiot for a nemesis.#scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Okay, so. Characters. I've been thinking a lot about villains lately, especially thanks to recent movies...

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
Hello everyone! #scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat I like to initially make my villains quite broad but slowly reveal human aspects of them throughout.

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Last week the USA talked about creating characters we Love, check out the transcript here - tinyurl.com/mz9avbr #scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat in my mind that makes them scarier.

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat I'm developing a theory that the best villains are the ones you're afraid the hero might become (Darth Vader)

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Sharita@14Shari
what is tonight's topic? #scriptchat twubs.com/scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
There's nothing worse to me than stupid villains, no matter who plays them. An example that aggravates me - Cliffhanger.#scriptchat 1/3

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
@SiFoulaReel yes, that's why lecter really got to me when I was far too young to watch #scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
I think the best villains are ones that really believe they are the hero, that believe in what they are doing #scriptchat

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Sharita@14Shari
evening all #scriptchat twubs.com/scriptchat

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Royston Deitch@37filmsltd
@teenierussell Villains? I say Noah Cross in Chinatown. A towering, evil presence with a biblical name. Hats off, Robert Towne. #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
Obviously Lithgow is brilliant, but they're *so* evil they work against themselves. They NEED Gabe to get their money. But..#scriptchat 2/3

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Taro@TaroJ
Hi @14Shari tonight were talking characters, heroes and villains#scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @TaroJ Yeah, any villain that views himself as the bad guy is ludicrous. *Everyone* thinks they're doing the right thing.

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
...for sheer evil, they take away his jacket & his climbing axe. Um, guys, do you want that case back or not? Dumb. #scriptchat 3/3

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Sharita@14Shari
how do you come up w/ your villains?Anyone ever started story w/ villain? #scriptchat twubs.com/scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@TaroJ Yes and character names are so important! Many scripts can have characters with similar sounding names or unisex names.#scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat desirable or cool villains scare me. The joker in dark knight, was unhinged but cool, people wanted to buy into him

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
#scriptchat best villains? Ledger's Joker, Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs. Villains you love to watch.

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@farahabushwesha @TaroJ My pet hate: female characters with male names - why is it even a thing?? #scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@farahabushwesha yup names, such a simple thing that can really change the way someone reads your script #scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat when you begin agreeing with Kevin spacey in seven. That got to me too

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Tim Poultney@DreamsofLuxor
@DebbieBMoon It plays into the archetypes of character well enough, better than an absolute opposite might do #Scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @14Shari I often write attractor-villains,people the hero starts off liking up, ends up opposing. I start with them, before hero

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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers do you find it hard to write 1 pg TV & Film treatments? Read @farahabushwesha tips on treatments bit.ly/192X612#scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
#scriptchat villains need to test protag and is best with a strength that is protags flaw

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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
A "villain" as in...? Define the term. #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
.@antonsays I contend some villains save films. Sudden Death is worth 100 minutes *just* for Powers Boothe enjoying villainy.#scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here's some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat

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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here's some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@Bang2write @farahabushwesha @TaroJ yes, annoying! Names so important #scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat I often write sympathetic villains. E.g bullies with bad home life.

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@SiFoulaReel some films are all about the villain too. Saw, Nightmare on Elm St, Halloween etc #scriptchat

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
I like villains that aren't black and white, that aren't good or bad at first but make terrible choices #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
.@antonsays Similarly, the Under Siege films are about the only good Seagal films, due to Lee Jones, Busey & Bogosian. #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Michael Corleone and Vic Mackie: heroic villains? #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Evening all! #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
For me the scary (or disturbing) ones are the villains who hate what they're doing but are compelled by something bigger#scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
Oddly I also like a bit an anti-hero a hero with a bit of a dark side. Lets be honest Han or Luke, no contest really #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @NamingJasonC Yes, not all antagonists are villains. So what defines a "villain"?

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@antonsays Yes, though conversely I think some of those are quite wrong in their presentation (probably not a case for twitter!)#scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@ClaireYeowart @farahabushwesha @TaroJ Names have a connotation & power all their own BUT many writers go OTT with them, too #scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
@TaroJ think the anti hero is becoming more visible across the board. Dark knight knock on effect probably #scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC the antagonist wants the OPPOSITE of what the protagonist wants/ has the opposite worldview

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
The moment the Elm St. films went off the rails is the moment the audience were encouraged to laugh *with* Krueger. #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
I dunno if there's a hard rule though. Bad choices and humanity are scary and interesting, but so is pitiless rage. #scriptchat

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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@MacBullitt #scriptchat I think the Godfather is a story about a hero that turns into a villian thatks the beauty about it

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@ClaireYeowart @farahabushwesha @TaroJ Another pet hate of mine: names that are too similar. Try & differentiate #scriptchat

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Marcus Yau@theYauBoy
@DebbieBMoon @TaroJ Villians who are very human are effective and scary: Nurse Ratched, Amon Goethe spring to mind#scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays See, there's where it goes wrong - Forsythe is a terrific actor & villain, but the character is nothing.#scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@robinbellwriter they are just so much more interesting, the best parts about characters are their flaws #scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@Bang2write @ClaireYeowart @TaroJ I think I said that too. Also age! 20s! Know your character 21 is very different to 28#scriptchat

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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@ClaireYeowart #scriptchat i agreed 'cause people in real life isn't good or bad we all have both sides

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Sophie@miztransmission
Is it heroes and villains on #scriptchat tonight? I'm seeing a lot of film suggestions but not much TV. Are we allowed TV villains too?

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @Bang2write @NamingJasonC Also theory that antagonist wants what hero wants, but wants to do something different with it

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays He's just a thug. No verbal fireworks, no intellectual approach to anything. That's the sort I find dull.#scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@SiFoulaReel that would be number 4 #scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat #movies Some thoughts on Disney's The Sword in the Stone, now 50 years old - how they'd make it todayfb.me/2jDuA9PzB

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@antonsays Iconic villians there #scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Bang2write @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC I would say the antagonist is in the way of the protag. They can both want the same thing #scriptchat

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Tim Poultney@DreamsofLuxor
Personally, I like a villain to make an instant impression and stand out from the crowd - Vaudeville style #Vaudevillain #Scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Palestrapublica the second is about the destruction of his soul and third is redemption #scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@miztransmission absolutely, go for it Favourite TV villains?#scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@TaroJ Yes, I think so. Around the time of the rap song, masks for kids and TV show for a child-molester / killer. So wrong.#scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
Hey @theYauBoy congrats on the play, read an interview with you the other day #scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@antonsays @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC in the Thriller, it's typically the antagonist driving the action; it's protag in the way#scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Quite by accident, just finished Sherlock ep The Great Game. Moriarty= fantastic approach to a villain. Same as S, but different

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
@teenierussell I read so many scripts that are too keen to condemn. The writer banging his drum to what's wrong with the world #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@SiFoulaReel I kind of feel that way about Busey in Under, he's a bit daft rather than menacing @antonsays #scriptchat

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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@miztransmission #scriptchat in breaking Bad or Dexter we could fin great villians

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@DebbieBMoon Agree massively on that one. Fantastically unpredictable. After I saw it I phoned all my friends! #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@robinbellwriter @teenierussell I haven't done so much of that because so far my projects with villains are more outlandish.#scriptchat

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@miztransmission TV has some excellent villains at the moment#scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@TaroJ I'd be interested to know what thoughts are on the character/style of villain being driven by the genre u r writing?#scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays But from the moment he caps the captain (admiral, whichever) he becomes both. On a knife edge. #scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat #screenwriting Some thoughts on characterisation, with links to more articles bang2write.com/2013/06/how-do…

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat John Rogers said the best villains on Leverage were 'ten degrees off right': they'd started off doing right thing, wandered off

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Sophie@miztransmission
@teenierussell Current faves probably Moriarty (Sherlock AND Elementary), Walternate (Fringe), and EVERYBODY in Game Of Thrones #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@robinbellwriter @MacBullitt @antonsays Quite, so you have to give them smart reasons to escalate past boundaries, if you can.#scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Bang2write @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC very true.#scriptchat

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Sophie@miztransmission
@teenierussell All of them are layered, interesting (both because AND despite of 'villainy'), and feel like completely new takes#scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@SiFoulaReel @antonsays He was better as Mr Joshua IMO.#scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @Bang2write @antonsays @NamingJasonCVillain/antagonist often starts the story. creates inciting incident. hero then takes over

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat off for a bath before returned. Thanks for villian insight you bunch of bad uns.

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays Definitely, but again, different type of film, different type of comic book. #scriptchat

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Sophie@miztransmission
@ClaireYeowart Definitely. TV has format advantage in terms of drawing out characterisation too, e.g. Walternate in Fringe#scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
MT:@farahabushwesha @TaroJ ...what thoughts are on the character/style of villain being driven by the genre #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat fantastic nuanced movie villain: The Operative in Serenity. Noble, clever, determined, skilful, knows he's both wrong and right

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P Vandegrift@PersephWrites
Creative inspiration - tacked my 1-sheets to the wall above my writing desk. Looking good! #amwriting #scriptchat#screenwriting

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_@flightrisker
@DebbieBMoon @TaroJ "I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done." #scriptchat

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@miztransmission @teenierussell I love to hate Joffrey in GoT! Other favs CSM in X Files, the baddies in Utopia #scriptchat

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Sophie@miztransmission
@DebbieBMoon Have you seen Elementary? Sherlock's Moriarty is fantastic (I adore him), but Elementary's pretty much blew my mind #scriptchat

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
Justified has terrific run of complex villainy - the ever-evolving Boyd Crowder, thru Robert Quarles & wonderful Mags Bennett.#scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@DebbieBMoon fantastic villain I agree. Lots of layers. #scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@DebbieBMoon @antonsays @NamingJasonC ... & only when escape not an option, engages directly with antag. #scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@ClaireYeowart @miztransmission @teenierussell great choice, how many seasons did it go before CSM even spoke #scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Very few villains are evil for evil's sake #scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
The nature of the villain changes with genre, in Rom Com for example, the "villain" is more of a love rival @farahabushwesha#scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@teenierussell my fav villains are film noir villains - they are seemingly rich and socially powerful and always well dressed#scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@teenierussell all I can think of now is Team America World Police :-) #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat I frequently find myself siding more with nuanced villains than with protagonists (eg, recently, in Star Trek Into darkness)

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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
To write any villain, in any style, you just have to understand what they want & their worldview, same as any other character.#scriptchat

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simon meacock@SimonMeacock
#scriptchat Loved Gus Fring in Breaking Bad. Great villain. Geek on the surface. Total badass underneath.

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@teenierussell not every film has a villain. A lot of Rom Coms don't. They have antagonists which don't even have to be people#scriptchat

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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
@Palestrapublica @miztransmission I love the Underbelly. Brilliant baddies. #scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
We're half way through #scriptchat talking about character, specifically villains at the moment, but happy to hear about heroes too.

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Complex villains with a history with main character interest me Robert Ryan in Wild Bunch #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
We've talked a lot about thriller or action villains, but a lot of the time in tv this week's villain is one of the main cast. #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @farahabushwesha Film noir villains has me thinking: two types of villain. Some want power, some have it and want to keep it

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Tim Poultney@DreamsofLuxor
@DebbieBMoon A villain that has a point is better than one who has power. It's the old "Elephant in Stiletto Heels" theory#Scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
Just the person who wants something the other characters don't.#scriptchat

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Sophie@miztransmission
@ClaireYeowart @teenierussell Love how #GOT is 1 step away from villainy (Arya) or redemption (Jamie), depending on perspective #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Villains with power are cool, sophisticated, controlling: those without are unpredictable, dangerous, dynamic

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Sandy_Nicholson Vic Mackie was the main character #scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
Writers do you find it hard to write 1 pg TV & Film treatments? Read @farahabushwesha tips on treatments bit.ly/192X612#scriptchat

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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
#TheFall's writer cleverly created a character who skipped between being a brutal antagonist & a scarily hypnotic protagonist.#scriptchat

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@TaroJ @miztransmission @teenierussell near the end of the 1st series I think, after about 20 episodes! #scriptchat

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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@TaroJ it's just a FB status, just speculating on how stories change over half a century #scriptchat

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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@SimonMeacock #scriptchat agreed!!! And Walter is becoming a villian in the last seasons

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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers do find it hard to write 1 page TV & Film treatments? Read@farahabushwesha tips on treatments bit.ly/192X612 #scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Sandy_Nicholson what's that definition of? #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @MacBullitt @Sandy_Nicholson Yeah, who was villain of The Shield? Capt. Acaveda and his successors. in any other show= good guys

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon I preferred it when they did it the first time! Remains one of the best #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@antonsays I'm just saying it's not always good guys bad guys.#scriptchat

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Gordondon@Gordondon
It is similar with Dexter, he is a good guy who does very bad things. #scriptchat

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simon meacock@SimonMeacock
@teenierussell @ClaireYeowart @miztransmission You So want Jofry to get his arse kicked!!! #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @antonsays @teenierussell Undercover cop movies don't have villains. Undercover cop= hero, gang leader = attractor. No villain

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Taro@TaroJ
Question for the readers out there, common flaws in heroes? I'm imagining lack of conflict, too righteous? #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon villains or merely the obstacle towards our character's goal? Anthony Anderson and others were the "villains"#scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@SimonMeacock @teenierussell @ClaireYeowart@miztransmission no redeeming features at all but fantastic character. #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat I hate heroes without flaws. Heroes are people too!

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
What do you think of characters such as Dexter and Walt (Breaking Bad)? #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@antonsays Who a villain is is purely contextual to the situation, it doesn't have to be a concrete foe. #scriptchat

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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@SimonMeacock @teenierussell @miztransmission I know, right? I wish Sansa would just punch him! The poor lass #scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Sandy_Nicholson I think villain and antagonist are being inter-changed here. A film needs an antagonist but not a villain#scriptchat

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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@robinbellwriter #scriptchat. Exactly. The best villains are the ones that have u nodding when they explain why they do what they do.

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon @antonsays @teenierussell What about Serpico? Villains were bent cops #scriptchat

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Gordondon@Gordondon
@teenierussell I think they are doing an excellent job with Hannibal, especially as the audience know he is a villain#scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Dexter is a serial killer, we are meant to condemn killers, yet we root for him in every ep! #scriptchat

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The Sitcom Trials@SitcomTrials
Thanks to all #scriptchat readers who entered The Sitcom Trials So You Think You Write Funny. Semi finalists are...sitcomtrials.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/line-u…

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Taro@TaroJ
@teenierussell AWESOME! It really makes you question right and wrong. #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @MacBullitt Damn, flaw in my theory. Back to the drawing board... :)

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @teenierussell Classic of example of pitting a bad person against far worst people. We root for the least bad.

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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@TaroJ @farahabushwesha #scriptchat yes but..."A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Non? ;-)

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@Gordondon I've heard great reviews but not had a chance to watch it yet. #scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@TaroJ Because it should be character 1st, politics / issue 2nd if trying to make a point. Character gets lost in plot/politics#scriptchat

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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@MacBullitt @DebbieBMoon @antonsays @teenierussell#scriptchat I think the system is the villian too

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Sandy_Nicholson I always considered a villain as a being and an antagonist any obstacle like a volcano, illness etc #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @teenierussell See also Hannibal, Breaking Bad, Silence Of The Lambs, The Godfather...

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon not really. Serpico and Prince of the City are different. Usually, as U said, target and cop bond #scriptchat

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@NamingJasonC @TaroJ but in a bed of red roses, how does one in particular stand out? #scriptchat

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Gordondon@Gordondon
@Sandy_Nicholson Exactly. He could have easily been protrayed as a moustache-twirling villain, but he is brilliantly written.#scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Palestrapublica Absolutely @DebbieBMoon @antonsays@teenierussell #scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Palestrapublica @MacBullitt @DebbieBMoon @teenierussell@Sandy_Nicholson this is a #scriptchat about characters so my context has been that

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Royston Deitch@37filmsltd
@teenierussell Same with the oriiginal of the species Hannibal Lecter in TSOTL - we root for him but he eats people! #scriptchat

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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat my favourite tv hero this year has been Rae from my mad fat diary

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Maybe intent turns antagonist into a villain. That border guard whose job it is to stop people getting in = antagonist (cont'd)

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat (cont'd) ...but border guard who hates YOU and wants to stop YOU getting into country? Villain.

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Sophie@miztransmission
Also, very recent but I LOVE the heroes/villains dynamic in The Americans. Who's the hero, who's the villain? Layered, complex#scriptchat

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Gordondon@Gordondon
I love Walter White's transformation in Breaking Bad. Vince Gilligan described it as "Mr Chips to Scarface", perfect. #scriptchat

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Fraser Coull@ecossefilmmaker
Writing a #DoctorWho script as a spec to send to agents. Very hard work hitting the beats but loving it. Feels right #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@DebbieBMoon I dunno if intent cuts it either though, I mean...#scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is a character I love to hate, there is nothing redeeming about him but I pity the fool#scriptchat

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Fraser Coull@ecossefilmmaker
Once I've finished the 1st draft I'm going to tackle a sitcom pilot that's been running around in my head too #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@Gordondon Yeah. It's not enough to just make him conflicted, the conflicting sides have to be interesting. #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Michael Caffee is another villainous main character #scriptchat

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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@DebbieBMoon @Bang2write #scriptchat...as well as the antagonist highlighting the antagonistic traits in the protagonist.

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Rosie Claverton@rosieclaverton
Ack! #scriptchat and #askagent happening simultaneously - and I need to write this graphic novel script. *reluctantly slinks away*

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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here are some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat

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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here are some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat

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simon meacock@SimonMeacock
@Bang2write gave a great note about the antagonist believing they are the hero. #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @NamingJasonC @Bang2write Yes! the villain has to sting the hero in finding out about his own dark side (and rejecting it)

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@flightrisker Make sure to use the #scriptchat hashtag so others can join in :-)

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon @Bang2write @NamingJasonC That would definitely qualify power struggles in things like Godfather#scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@NamingJasonC @DebbieBMoon @Bang2write it's common that the protag takes some traits from the antag to succeed. #scriptchat

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Gordondon@Gordondon
Shouldn't a good villain have similar traits to the hero, but a different perspective? #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@SimonMeacock Which is essentially what Nottingham was about before rewrites @Bang2write #scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC @Bang2write or absorbing his dark side to defeat the antag. A protag kills a killer etc #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @Gordondon Probably. but also be sufficiently different that hero has to change his game to overcome him. A challenge.

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Gordondon in many ways, yes. They use their traits differently. The protags dark side #scriptchat

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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@DebbieBMoon @Bang2write #scriptchat Not always. Take the Wizard of Oz. We start with the adorable Dorothy & her cute little doggy :-)

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@Gordondon XMen - Magneto and Prof X have very similar goals but different ways of achieving them #scriptchat

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@DebbieBMoon @Gordondon Luke and Darth Vader have a lot of similar traits. It's very literal in that film. #scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
@NamingJasonC @DebbieBMoon @Bang2write though she does squash a witch with a house #scriptchat

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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell #scriptchat True but the set up is still broken (IMO). We know too much. We explicitly know what H is up to

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @NamingJasonC @Bang2write True. A movie with an inciting incident that's accidental (twister)

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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell #scriptchat which keeps us too far ahead of our protag, and we even know more than Hannibal to a degree.

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
I'm watching Buffy at the moment, love evil Angel! #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
The problem with having a rule of what makes a good villain is it encourages a very boxed ticked approach to them. #scriptchat

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Taro@TaroJ
Thanks everyone for a great #scriptchat that went amazingly fast, now to watch some Breaking Bad

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
"if I do this my villain will be great" that's not always the case. All these are ideas but they can't be viewed as the answer. #scriptchat

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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Okay, The White Queen is starting. Thanks, everyone!

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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
#scriptchat sadly, time is Scriptchat's biggest antagonist.

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@antonsays SPOILER ALERT - like father like son #scriptchat

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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
In the end it's like the definition of obscenity. We don't know what it is but we know it when we see it. #scriptchat

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Sophie@miztransmission
@teenierussell Angel was going to be my other TV suggestion!#scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Sandy_Nicholson Agreed. Oftentimes, bigger is not necessarily better either #scriptchat

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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Thank you to everyone that joined in the chat, you've been wonderful as always! #scriptchat

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Royston Deitch@37filmsltd
@teenierussell Night night and don't have nightmares! #scriptchat

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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@teenierussell Some great stuff to think on. Thanks all!#scriptchat

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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell I dunno, I'm not caught up on it yet so it might change but the formula now (ep8) is just making#scriptchat

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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell me wish they could surprise me. Which they still might :) #scriptchat

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